<div dir="ltr">I attended the annual trade show in Washington for two years in a row, about 2013 -14. At that show Cosmic Crisp was displayed, hyped and offered as a tasting. I tried it twice at one show and then again at the next year's show. There was some "crisp'" like most apples, but the taste was shallow, it didn't linger. The crisp part was far less than <span class="" id=":1cy.5" tabindex="-1" style="">Honeycrisp</span>, and the taste part was a lessened sensation. This is, of course, a subjective interpretation. My taste buds are unique like my DNA, and others may have a different view. My view is that Honeycrisp "explodes" in the mouth, (speaking of my Honeycrisp, grown at 3500' elevation in Montana, with summer nights cooling to 40-50 degrees F) and Cosmic Crisp is just another apple. Most of the apples grown around Yakama, Washington have this problem. The taste is shallow, and the fruit is huge from some orchards. I believe the problem is night time temps. If an apple cools at night, the fruit is smaller, firmer and sweeter. My take on it. I am not a Phd or officially trained biologist. My guess, which is not based on science or objective measurement, is that the hype was projected, the growers bought into it, and now this Cosmic Crisp will enter the market and high elevation honey crisp will blow it out of the water.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Shoemaker, William H <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wshoemak@illinois.edu" target="_blank">wshoemak@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">First of all, "Cosmic Crisp" is a stupid name, no doubt, some committee consisting of 500 came up with it. Sounds like a pimpled-up teen-aged super-hero character from another planet who gets real flakey if you mess with him. And by the way,
he has a red outfit with a big logo on his chest with a yellow <b>CC</b>. Secondly, it doesn't taste that good. I've tasted it two or three times. Third, I understand it's meant for Washington growers only, wherein WSU has a restriction. I not sure about
this, but if true, I wonder if WSU gets any our federal taxes. Is so, and you want to grow it, contact your Senator. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">My understanding is that Cosmic Crisp will be an open variety in seven years.
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<div> Numbers we were quoted for "all in" establishment costs per acre was $60,000 on a large planting. No land acquisition costs. Land prep, trees, support, tractors, irrigation, machinery buildings and housing for H2A labor included. I do not know if overhead
towards packing facility was factored in.
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<p class="MsoNormal">A good concise article on what Washington state growers are doing with Cosmic Crisp over the next two years - the figures are staggering - <u></u><u></u></p>
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