<div dir="ltr">I am in the 8th year of 3 year staggered planting growth of a Tall Spindle Apple Orchard.<div>The Planted Area is about 2.5 acres containing 1750 trees.</div><div>As a first time grower in a VERY windy/blustery location, I did not want to deal with movement or collapse.</div><div>Hence I chose 14ft long treated Yellow southern Pine 5-6 Posts driven 4 feet into the ground by a hydraulic ram.</div><div>We were very careful to keep the rows stright and posts Plumb.</div><div>Posts are spaced to allow 10 trees between them @ 3 ft spacing per tree. This left 10 feet of post to support 4 wires</div><div>each helping the trees to withstand wind pressure.</div><div><br></div><div>The end supports for each row are pinned @ about 8ft to anchor posts driven 4 ft into the ground & secured with guide wires @ 45 degree angles. This created an equalateral triangle at each end offering very strong, stable support.</div><div>The wire is high tensile 12 guage fence wire. All wires have been tightened by hand with a wire stretcher, using grepples and two leaded crimps on each tail. There has been little change in the wire tightness ie slack. In 2015 we produced 55,000lbs of apples in a not yet mature Orchard. We are striving for about 400 more bushels or 56 to 57,000 pounds </div><div>as a max. That's a good amount of support from this design.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Jon Clements <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmcextman@gmail.com" target="_blank">jmcextman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">George, I can't build anything straight, so I refrain from giving advice on trellis construction!<div><br></div><div>But, we all might find this information useful:</div><div><br></div><div>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">Constructing a vineyard trellis, Paul Domoto</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://www.prairiefirewinery.com/Cellar/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Vineyard-Trellis-Construction.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.prairiefirewinery.<wbr>com/Cellar/wp-content/uploads/<wbr>2016/12/Vineyard-Trellis-<wbr>Construction.pdf</a></p>
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<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">How to Build Orchard and Vineyard Trellises - Book</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://www.kencove.com/fence/Vineyard+Trellis_detail_ABT.php" target="_blank">http://www.kencove.com/fence/<wbr>Vineyard+Trellis_detail_ABT.<wbr>php</a></p>
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<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">Orchard and Vineyard Trellis Construction: Part 1</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://blog.kencove.com/orchard-and-vineyard-trellis-construction-part-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.kencove.com/<wbr>orchard-and-vineyard-trellis-<wbr>construction-part-1/</a></p>
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<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">TALL SPINDLE ORCHARD SUPPORT SYSTEMS</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/neworchard/english/apples/9trellis.html" target="_blank">http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/<wbr>neworchard/english/apples/<wbr>9trellis.html</a></p>
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<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">Experiences with Support Systems for the Tall Spindle Apple Planting System</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://nyshs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1.Experiences-with-Support-Systems-for-the-Tall-Spindle-Apple-Planting-System.pdf" target="_blank">http://nyshs.org/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2012/01/1.Experiences-<wbr>with-Support-Systems-for-the-<wbr>Tall-Spindle-Apple-Planting-<wbr>System.pdf</a></p>
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<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1">Trellis Support Systems for High-Density Apples</p>
<p class="m_3608031696224575721gmail-p1"><a href="http://www.hort.cornell.edu/expo/proceedings/2017/TreeFruit%20Weather.%20Trellis%20Support%20Systems%20for%20High-Density%20Apples.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.hort.cornell.edu/<wbr>expo/proceedings/2017/<wbr>TreeFruit%20Weather.%<wbr>20Trellis%20Support%20Systems%<wbr>20for%20High-Density%20Apples.<wbr>pdf</a></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:39 PM, George Greene <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cortland9@icloud.com" target="_blank">cortland9@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span class="">David and All:<div><br></div><div>I remember someone burying 5 foot pieces of telephone poles, cross-wise, perhaps 3-5 feet deep at the end of a row. Most of the trellises I built in Biglerville PA survived.</div><div><br></div><div>I did have a Geneva Double-Curtin grape trellis fail when, after a big wind storm flipped up one side of the Double-Curtin grape trellis, the terrific imbalance caused the posts to snap off.</div><div><br></div><div>Come on where are all of the experts like Jon Clements or others who are the experts. I thought that one (or by now several) states had Extension Bulletins on this subject.</div><div><br></div><div>Be well, George</div></span><div><div><div class="m_3608031696224575721h5"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div>On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:04 PM, David Kollas <<a href="mailto:kollas@frontier.com" target="_blank">kollas@frontier.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-interchange-newline"></span><div><div class="h5"><div><div><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Kurt and Mo:<br><br><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thank you for your comments.<br><br><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>If pull-out is the reason for discarding the Duckbill anchoring method, I wonder if a larger model would<br>overcome that. The largest Duckbill model is about 12 inches long. A second line of “duckbills”, also by Foresight <br>Products, is called Manta Ray, and is made for increased resistance, installed with hydraulic jackhammer. There <br>are also options for stoney soils (ductile iron, hot-dipped in zinc, rather than the standard aluminum). However,<br>searches of company websites, and telephone contacts, have been short on pertinent,applicable value in my recent <br>efforts.<br><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><br><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> The thought of trying to put auger-type anchors in my stony land does not appeal to me, and driving<br>posts has never attracted me either. Channel iron does seem worth trying, but I am hoping to find something<br>I could get really excited about.<br><br>David<br>Kollas Orchard, CT<br><br><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span class="m_3608031696224575721m_-4861048621195691977Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>apple-crop mailing list<br><a href="mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.com" target="_blank">apple-crop@virtualorchard.com</a><br><a href="http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop" target="_blank">http://virtualorchard.com/mail<wbr>man/listinfo/apple-crop</a><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><span class=""><span class="m_3608031696224575721HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>
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