<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507306940796_3251"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1507306940796_3250">I would start by considering whether the wind is greater at higher elevation, and whether there is more direct sunshine as well.</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, October 6, 2017 11:08 AM, "kuffelcreek@kuffelcreek.com" <kuffelcreek@kuffelcreek.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div dir="ltr">Mosbah's comment rings true here in our hot dry climate of So. Calif.; our<br clear="none">Liberty apples look like they've been stepped on, almost to the point of a<br clear="none">donut peach. They still fatten up girth wise, but I've always thought it<br clear="none">was something to do with irrigation. Thanks for solving a mystery.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Kevin Hauser<br clear="none">Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery<br clear="none">Riverside, California<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yqt9625420920" id="yqtfd80030"><br clear="none"> On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 14:35:04 +0000, "Kushad, Mosbah M"<br clear="none"><<a class="removed-link" href="" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kushad@illinois.edu">kushad@illinois.edu</a>><br clear="none">wrote:<br clear="none">> Brian : Fruit shape and color are affected by growing climate/region..<br clear="none">> Red Delicious fruits grown in warmer climate are likely to be round or<br clear="none">flat<br clear="none">> while those in northern regions tend to be oblong (so called type or is<br clear="none">it<br clear="none">> typy like shiny). I recall from memory that an extension publication<br clear="none">> showed that apples from North Carolina were more round and flat while<br clear="none">those<br clear="none">> from either NY or Washington? were oblong. This is likely to be<br clear="none">regulated<br clear="none">> by hormones since you can make fruits more oblong shape with Promalin<br clear="none">(GA4<br clear="none">> +GA7 + 6-BA). Skin finish is also affected by humidity and<br clear="none">temperature.<br clear="none">> High humidity and high temperature tend to make fruit color more dull<br clear="none">while<br clear="none">> low humidity and cooler daytime temperature tend to make fruit color<br clear="none">more<br clear="none">> shiny with smoother finish.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> From: apple-crop [mailto:<a class="removed-link" href="" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:apple-crop-bounces@virtualorchard.com">apple-crop-bounces@virtualorchard.com</a>] On<br clear="none">Behalf<br clear="none">> Of Brian Alan Caldwell<br clear="none">> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 7:34 AM<br clear="none">> To: Apple-Crop discussion list <<a class="removed-link" href="" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.com">apple-crop@virtualorchard.com</a>><br clear="none">> Subject: [Apple-Crop] satiny vs papery skin<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I have two orchard locations, one in a valley and a nearby one on a<br clear="none">> hilltop. I'm mystified by a "dry skin" quality in the valley farm.<br clear="none">> I graded Liberty apples last night and the differences between the two<br clear="none">> sites were dramatic. Hilltop-smooth, satiny finish; dark color; long<br clear="none">"red<br clear="none">> delicious" shape. Valley-shiny finish; bright color; spherical shape. <br clear="none">> Jonagolds and Idareds from the valley have an almost papery skin; much<br clear="none">> smoother/waxier from the hilltop.<br clear="none">> I've seen this in past years too...<br clear="none">> Any ideas as to what is going on?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Brian Caldwell<br clear="none">> Hemlock Grove Farm<br clear="none">> West Danby, NY<br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">apple-crop mailing list<br clear="none"><a class="removed-link" href="" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.com">apple-crop@virtualorchard.com</a><br clear="none"><a class="removed-link" href="" target="_blank" shape="rect">http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop</a><br clear="none"></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>